Author Topic: Using other Sim's to Get Better at AH (Read 883 times)

28sweep · « **on:** March 22, 2002, 12:58:33 PM »

So here's my question to u'all. Is it valid to think that by buying a product like MS CFS2 or something similar-I could get better at Aces High faster? My thinking is that the drones are too stupid to be of real value for target practice and that it takes so long to get to altitude for dive bombing practice-after all repetition is the key. Maybe CFS2 has a scripted training missions or something that lets u start at 15k and line up on a target for repetitive dive-bombing-for example. I know the AI has to be better and would offer better target practice. Has anyone tried this and are there any flight sim's that would be better than others for training purposes?? I know the flight models will be different-the ballistics etc. but some of it should be close-right?????

Soulyss · « **Reply #1 on:** March 22, 2002, 01:17:35 PM »

It has been my experience that playing other sims has not helped me in AH, in fact sometimes it hinders my efforts since when jumping back and forth I lose the fine touch and "feel" of the AH flight model. In games like CFS2 you can turn fight zekes in wildcats and hellcats and can generally get away with just yanking the control stick around like crazy, things that will get you killed right fast in AH. IMHO the only way to improve at AH is to fly AH and take the lumps. You can do things to maximize your chances of success, but when I was starting I had to have A LOT of patience, swollow my pride and get my hiney handed to me by more experienced pilots and try to learn what I was doing wrong. If someone bests you, you can ask him what you did wrong. Film your fights then ask a member of the training staff to take a look at it for you and give feedback. Or sign up for some personal time with a trainer. The HTC website lists Lephturn as the Chief Instructor, you should be able to send him an email to set something up with the training staff.

Of course all this is just my humble opinions on the subjects other my disagree with me.

SKurj · « **Reply #2 on:** March 22, 2002, 02:09:02 PM »

u are paying for AH, make the most of it.

Practicing at CFS will make you better at CFS... even having said that... ACM can be practiced in any flight sim with a full realism mode.

The gunnery and bomb aiming differences between all the sims along with differences in control calibration make it virtually impossible to practice elsewhere.

Take your lumps is the best advice I can give you.

Read Robert Shaw's Fighter Combat for help with ACM.

There are often areas of the map that are deserted, you can practice your bombing and if you are lucky a con will climb up after you permitting some gunnery practice.

Offline I think you can adjust the wind so that you gain altitude faster for dive bombing. Perhaps someone can offer the 'trick' to it.

SKurj

Kutt · « **Reply #3 on:** March 22, 2002, 02:11:37 PM »

I think Soulyss summed it up pretty well. Sound tactics are what I believe maximize your chances to get kills and live for another day. Playing most of the other single player sims don't force you to use these tactics.

The second thing is to improve your gunnery. The gunnery in AH is unlike any other sim. To get good at AH gunnery you need to fly AH. I sometimes practice this by going offline and attacking targets coming from anywhere but direct 6. I will increase the ammo multiplier in arena settings to 10 so that you can carry ten times the ammo. I then climb a few thousand above the drones and practice high-speed high deflection shots climb out and repeat. I can fly for about 20 min before I run out of ammo.

Furious · « **Reply #4 on:** March 22, 2002, 02:14:56 PM »

Find a map with high alt bases to launch from for bombing practise. I believe the DA has a few of those or you could try some of the maps in the H2H arenas.

All sims are coded diferent; if you want to get good in AH, play AH.

F.

Ghosth · « **Reply #5 on:** March 22, 2002, 02:36:04 PM »

Want to get better at AH?

Fly,fly, fly and fly.
Fly when you wake up in the morning, fly another sortie before going to work. Fly at lunch, fly for an hour when you get home from work. Instead of going to sleep at 10, fly for 2 hours. Then get up at 5 and do it again! Weekends you should spend at least 8 hours a day beind the stick.

Also fly smart, diving into the first furball you see never made anyone a good stick. Pick fights you have a chance of winning, where you hold at least 1 advantage. This can be taken to extreme however.

guttboy · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2002, 06:43:56 PM »

I know this may be basic but here are a few tips....

1)are you brand new to flying this game and sims in general...if so take up a forgiving plane like the SPIT IX.

2)Practice.....

3)Try winging with someone and taping the flight....just try to stay on their 6.
(I am relearning the P38 from Air Warrior Relaxed Realism...flew on TRIED's 6 for a while and listened to his tips...helped out alot)

4)Join someone that is a good stick and observe what they do while taping it. This helps alot.

5)Get used to the views....learn to be able to look at a guy and still keep him in sight...this was the hardest for me in here to get used to was the views and keeping the guys in sight without redding or blacking out.

6) Practice......

7) Try sticking with one plane...I dont know your skill level but try sticking with the spit til you get the ACM down! Believe you me that will help you get the basics...also it has such a crappy ammo load in my opinion you have to get better at your shots....

8) Try setting your convergence in close....this makes you get closer to shoot to do more damage...this tip depends on your fighting style...some guys set it out far....

9) Practice......

10) Spend time reviewing the flights and watching what the enemy does.

11) Learn basic ACM....Shaws book is excellent....

12) DONT GET FRUSTRATED!!!!! If it is ceasing to be fun....take up a PT boat and get near an enemy field...NOW THAT IS FUN.....take a break then go back to the flying....believe you me that helps

I hope that helps its a rehash from all the GREAT ONES out there.

Now here is where I disagree with the others. I found that Air Warrior helped in here....that is because I "learned" how to fly there for 6 years or longer...with that being said coming to AH has been a rude awakening...although I have the ACM down applying it to the model in here is very hard to get used to. I am getting better and it is taking practice. (Well not really disagree with you guys....) If you have AH you should be playing and practicing in there.....

Well my 2 cents....

Mike

airspro · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2002, 06:54:54 AM »

I used Warbirds version 2.76 offlline to practice , it was free and more like AH than the boxed sim .

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2002, 12:22:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Ghosth
Also fly smart, diving into the first furball you see never made anyone a good stick. Pick fights you have a chance of winning, where you hold at least 1 advantage. This can be taken to extreme however.

I disagree with this last point. Always flying with an advantage only makes a player better at flying with an advantage. What it doesn't do is produce a well-rounded, generally more skilled player with the ability to handle all types of situations -- advantaged, equal, and disadvantaged.

While I wouldn't discourage a new pilot from fighting at an advantage, I'd also highly recommend diving into furballs and mixing it up to at least improve situational awareness.

I also can't stress enough the importance of dueling. I dueled constantly in Air Warrior, and I duel all the time in Aces High as well. The real key is to find another player of roughly equal skill -- a sparring partner, so to speak -- with whom you can duel as much as possible.

-- Todd/Leviathn

steely07 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2002, 04:47:10 AM »

Make yourself a map for offline play or i could post one

fields are 10k 20k and 30k above terrain,most excellent for bombing practice,and,also,all of the above

Luck

Steely

BigMax · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2002, 09:48:50 AM »

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Originally posted by SKurj
Read Robert Shaw's Fighter Combat for help with ACM.

AMEN - The ACM Bible

I like using WarBird's offline AI.... The flight models are very different but it helps to get your gunnery and SA down. And you can go FULL realism or not... And it's free.

Eagler · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2002, 10:38:48 AM »

IL2 works for me..

After flyin in it for an hour and not hitting/shooting anyone down, MA is a piece of cake.

CT is good practice for MA too

guttboy · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2002, 12:11:53 PM »

Ok Fellas heard alot about making terrains for yourself...not sure how to do that but can you put enemy fighters up as well for target practice?

thanks

28sweep · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2002, 01:23:09 PM »

Hey-steely07 (or anybody)-how can I get ahold of one of those terrains w/very high bases!!!!

steely07 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 30, 2002, 07:27:25 PM »

Mail me at steelydw@yahoo.com.au,and i'll mail em back

Oh and Gutt,the drones will be in any terrain u make,they always circle the nearest field